In this Episode, managing attorney Regina Campbell goes into depth on what to expect when filling for divorce.
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In this Episode, managing attorney Regina Campbell goes into depth on what to expect when filling for divorce.
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The Campbell Law Group P.A. while representing clients whether in civil, corporate, commercial, employment, or family law matters, our company’s primary goal is first to help clients minimize the need for unnecessary litigation and conflict where possible.
Contact us by calling our office at (305) 460-0145 or emailing us at service@thecampbelllawgroup.com.
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hi welcome back everybody
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uh this is a season one episode two of
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the legal zone
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brought to you by the campbell law group
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i'm regina campbell
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and today we're gonna talk to you about
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getting a divorce
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uh some of you out there might be going
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through a divorce or have been through a
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divorce so you might be able to relate
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to some of the stuff that we're going to
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talk about today
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but i think it's really important to
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maybe understand what to expect from a
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divorce
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and even if you have been divorced
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actually if you're going through a
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second divorce you'll be surprised but
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sometimes it could be very different
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than the first
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so there's still maybe some additional
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tips that might be helpful for you
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so getting a divorce it's it is one of
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the major life-altering um
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things that we might do in one of our
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lives you know it's up there with the
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stressful events
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just as like a death or a move but it is
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doesn't mean that it has to be
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life-ending
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or life-changing to the extent that um
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you know everything comes to an end or
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it's difficult you know it's
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you know it's uncertainty and it just
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changes your life you still
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continue to be you you still continue to
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have your children together if you do
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have them together
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we're going to go on in life and it's
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important for you to know what to expect
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in this process
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so that you can actually hopefully come
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out of it in good shape
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and not just from a legal point of view
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but from a personal point of view
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so as someone that has been through a
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divorce and actually very difficult
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divorce
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i can relate also from a personal level
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not just as an attorney
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but today we're going to come to a
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little bit more and explain a little bit
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more as an attorney what to expect
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so whether or not it's possible you
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might have been served
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with papers in which case you
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your partner you know whether it's your
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husband or your wife
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is actually already gone through the
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process of starting with a call a
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petition
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a petition for dissolution so um
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might be a surprise may not be a
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surprise might have been something you
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expected
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sometimes in this process in the
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petition you're going to notice that
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it's going to indicate
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what kind of relief that they're looking
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for that may even be a surprise
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but we'll talk a little bit more about
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it doesn't always mean what it seems to
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it's what it seems to be
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saying in the petition and why sometimes
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you do need to plead everything that is
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required
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um in order to preserve your rights but
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it doesn't necessarily mean that the
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your spouse is going to be entitled to
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all of these
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claims or allegations and potentially
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they might have just put some of the
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information in there
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as needed from a legal sufficiency basis
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this sometimes catches people by
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surprise when they may have talked to
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their spouse before the petition
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and then they see the petition and they
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say wow what is all this stuff in here
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you know for instance we talked about no
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alimony between each other
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and hear the petition request alimony so
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sometimes that's actually a function of
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just the legal sufficiency or the
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necessity potential of an attorney also
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to preserve those rights for you in the
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event you guys do not reach an agreement
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so it's not always reason to be very
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concerned but
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let's take a step back for a moment
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let's say you do not expect you were not
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aware that your partner was going to
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file for divorce
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so in those circumstances the shock
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alone and the
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sort of um disbelief can take over quite
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significantly and be very emotional and
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understandably so this is a time when
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actually to take a step back and not
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react
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immediately whether you know talking to
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the other spouse
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or going off um in a disarray it's
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actually time to stop and think
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about how you're going to react and
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really what is going on okay
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it is also a time to consult with an
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attorney most of the time
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you only have about 20 days in those
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states in florida
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for instance to actually file some kind
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of motion for extension or an
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answer in order to preserve your rights
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under the petition
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and at this time you also want to
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consider whether you want to file
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counter claims
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which might be you know preserving your
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rights to alimony
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child support or certain medical
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distributions also
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that might be different than what your
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partner had actually or your spouse had
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actually requested
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so taking a step back that's important
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there's a time
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sensitivity issue here if you are served
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you want to make sure that you're
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complying with the summons and the
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required time period in which to respond
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that's on a legal basis from a personal
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as i indicated basis basically
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just want to take a moment and breathe i
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know it might be sort of
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leave you without breath especially if
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you're not expecting it but stop and
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think about really what this may mean
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and also you want to consider getting
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potentially psychological help support
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from your family although i'm going to
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caution you from
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trying to compare your case or your
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potential life to some other divorce or
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some other friends case and
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or listening to stories about how
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so-and-so
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susie's husband did this some left susie
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on the street
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or you know susie left the husband on
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the street and got everything
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i would caution you against listening to
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those stories as in the legal world
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there's never there's very rarely
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anything apples to apples so to speak
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and everyone's life
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and situation is very distinct so that's
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step one
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that's the petition stage that's sort of
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a legal first step
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now there are times in which people
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might actually plan for divorce actually
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might discuss it
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and do it on a neutral basis uh
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potentially follow joint petitions or
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already have an idea how they want to
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split their assets
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or figure out the rights between each
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other and in which case that actually
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might make this process a little bit
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easier and the petition
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just becomes sort of the vehicle in
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which you actually accomplished the
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divorce
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but the majority of the conversation
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would happen beforehand
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um a little bit more about that when i
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we're going to talk a little bit about
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coming to an agreement
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you know it's a little bit further along
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in the process one of the other things
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you also want to
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take into consideration when you think
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about divorce or there
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or there's been a divorce filed is any
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administrative orders or rules
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most states require sort of the
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maintenance of a status quo
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you want to be careful that you don't
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have one of the parties starting to
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empty out a bank account
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or canceling health insurances life
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insurances homeowners insurance
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you know stopping to pay the mortgage
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these are all sides that you're actually
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going to have to act quickly
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whether you are the petitioner or the
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respondent courts
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do not usually have the ability to act
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very quickly when someone needs a
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temporary support or relief
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so from this point even from the moment
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you file even a motion for support or
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relief it could take at least three
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four five months for a hearing to
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actually occur on the issue
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so part of is you want to consider plan
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b also in the event that your spouse
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does something like that hopefully they
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do not they're supposed to maintain the
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status quo
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but unfortunately particularly in
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contentious divorces i find that is a
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source
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to how can we say gain um bargaining
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power
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is by trying to starve out the other
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party particularly if the other party
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doesn't have access to
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some of the marital funds to be able to
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hire an attorney
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it may be the less sophisticated party
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as far as in terms of money
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or knowing where the money is basically
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so these are kind of telltale signs you
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want to keep an eye out
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you know the beginning of a divorce or
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divorce proceedings
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this can actually occur throughout the
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divorce proceeding it might have started
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off nice and then
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it gets ugly when the other person
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doesn't get its way
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in most cases i find that reasonable
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people can reach a solution and kind of
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uh you know find a balance in between
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not to sort of destroy everything that
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you may have guys have created
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and particularly disrupt the children if
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there are children but a little bit more
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about how to deal with those type of
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difficult spouses
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or situations a little bit later on in
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the podcast
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so um usually in most states and in
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florida specifically they're going to
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require you to fill out financial
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affidavits
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which is basically indicating what your
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financial circumstances and income is
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under penalties of perjury
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and of course required to produce the
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minimum certificate you know it's
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called a certificate of mandatory
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disclosures which is the minimum
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documents that must be exchanged between
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the parties
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so that's usually the next step in
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addition to the fact that the court is
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going to look into resolving any
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temporary issues
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if someone's moving out of the house you
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may want to come up with temporary sort
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of child support i mean not just child
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support but time
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sharing in florida we have time sharing
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versus custody uh sort of arrangements
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so that we can try to
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have the least amount of disruption
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possible for the family unit
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uh particularly with children that are
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not have no control over this and are
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sort of in the middle and it's something
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to be very cognizant of
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and try to be as reasonable as you guys
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can and bounce and
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of course never involve the children in
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these issues or discussions about
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divorces or anything else going on
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try to minimize their involvement on any
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of this so that's
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something else we'll also talk about
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shortly but if you're having any of
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these temporary issues they do need to
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be mentioned early on in the case you do
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not want to let the case go on
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much further without getting some of
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those temporary issues resolved
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in cases where the parties stay together
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and there's amicableness so to speak
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uh i guess i'll make up a word there you
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know you can go ahead and uh
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a lot of times things will continue the
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same each party will sort of do their
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parental
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roles and duties as they always did and
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you will go through the process
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basically the financials and kind of
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come to
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some kind of you know arrangement or to
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go to trial but it will be handled a
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more amicable basis
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something else to keep in mind temporary
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issues also include attorney fees
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you want to make sure that you have the
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right to attorney fees and to access to
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money
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so that you can't afford your own
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attorneys not to protect your interest
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in florida each party is entitled to
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sort of similar type of attorneys
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as the other party may have sometimes
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you see one attorney has a hundred
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thousand dollars to spend and the other
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party might have gone through four
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attorneys trying to get someone to take
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the case basically
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uh because they can't afford to pay
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retainer or pay for attorney fees until
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the court awards them so in most often
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some of the
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urgent situations you actually may find
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yourself in might actually be for
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emotion fraternities that you want to
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consider
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okay um next we kind of go on to sort of
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the discovery stage so to speak of what
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to expect
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in a divorce and in a divorce basically
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discovery is just sort of investigations
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of what each party has it might be
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beyond the minimals
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just to find out what each what there
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might be if there has been any extra
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marital affairs is there any
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portion of the marital assets to be
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recovered is there any non-marital
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assets that potentially have a marital
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component to it that need to be divided
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or is it to be left separate marital
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assets determine evaluations
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you know contributions to them
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throughout the marriage especially after
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mixed assets which is marital and
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non-marital
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and basically just figure out how you're
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going to handle
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sort of distributions which might
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include a mortgage that you both might
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be on
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and what do we do now if we decide to
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sell the house or if one of the parties
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keeps the house what do we do
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basically but one party's name is still
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on the mortgage and can affect that
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party's ability to go get another house
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so these are things that get work
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through sort of uncovered and sort of
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organized during discovery
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and unfortunately there's um it's ripe
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for you know difficult cases where
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people to hide money
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someone's mother is holding on to their
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older money throughout the marriage or
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been
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giving them assets or gifts so to speak
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it becomes more complicated and can lead
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to you know potentially protracted
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litigation if you have some of those
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issues
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where money has gone missing or there's
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been some shenanigans or potentially
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even money being hidden within companies
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so maybe under retained earnings
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deferred compensations
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international holding companies sort of
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layered circumstances that require an
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attorney and potentially even a forensic
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accountant to
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kind of help you unravel not just what
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your distribution or your echo
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distribution
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may be from that particular company but
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also what income might be available for
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purposes of aluminium child support that
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are sort of hidden under layers
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as i like to call them so that's kind of
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the discovery also this is where if you
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have child
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time sharing issues or parental
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responsibility issues you also
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conduct sort of evidence gathering
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that's what we call the discovery
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about the fitness of each parent so to
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speak to be able to take care of the
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children
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whether it's on a 50 50 basis or whether
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you want to
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suggest that the other party has less
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time with the children due to
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job constraints or their inability maybe
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to really
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help do the children's responsibilities
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such as take them to extracurriculars
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and doctor's appointments
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so this is the time also in some of that
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investigation might be done
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and the same thing with alimony alimony
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during this time is basically
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sort of discovery becomes a function of
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the elements of what you have to prove
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in order to get alimony if
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if you are a potential candidate for
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alimony
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or your what your spouse's so allen
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money is basically a function of need
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and ability
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so a need is does the other spouse have
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a need
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for income or a supplement of income in
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order to be able to maintain
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a similar lifestyle as that spouse had
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during the marriage or
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the party side during the marriage so
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and then the other aspect and that's
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figuring out what that is
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how much is it that they need to have to
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be able to live in the similar
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sort of lifestyle i did during the
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marriage and you know this
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unfortunately it's also an area that can
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be litigated uh you know
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at one point someone thinks that they
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used to live in a mansion and had five
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maids and of course their alien money
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needs are fairly high
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or you can have the circumstances when
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the other spouse thinks that the
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other that the spouse's needs are
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basically you know
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tantamount to you know if you have food
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and water that's all that you need
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uh in order to maintain the lifestyle
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the marriages of course is not often the
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case
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so the truth usually lies somewhere in
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the middle but this is a time in which
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you gather
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evidence in order to you know uh
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meet your burden as to what the needs
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may be and of course the other side is
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going to argue against them
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so this is the time that you might
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gather evidence related to alimony
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you also may want experts also forensics
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that might help you assist
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in what they call a lifestyle analysis
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the other half of alimony is also
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ability
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so you have to show that the other party
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still has the ability to pay the alimony
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even if you are entitled to or have a
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need
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once again discovery about income you
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know evidence gathering does it you know
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often unfortunately we call it divorce
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poverty the
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one of the one or both of the parties
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all of a sudden become sort of poor
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or starting to make a significant amount
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less money uh right you know right
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before the divorce or during the divorce
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in order to try to avoid or reduce their
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alimony and child support obligations
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this is a lot of the stuff that you're
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going to go through in discovery
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and for the most part you know this is
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sort of that's the evidence gathering
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stage
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and throughout this entire time just to
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kind of go back to the human side the
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personal side
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it's usually a very difficult time
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you're asked very difficult question
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jurassico gathered documents
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from years previous
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unfortunately it's also ripe for
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harassment in some respects just asking
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for things that might be
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you know way to the left and way to the
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right it's very important that you have
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a support
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you know network you have people to lean
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on to help you with the children
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and that you breathe you remain calm and
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just try to think about really
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objectively as
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much as you can this is just part of the
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process this is what's going on stop and
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think about
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sort of the big picture items and just
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remember it will pass as difficult as it
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may
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seem everything passes in life
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so most of the time with this you know
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it's starting to get expensive into
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cases hopefully the attorneys have had
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discussions about potentially cutting
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through some of the
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red tape looking at big picture items
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and considering potentially settling
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and especially now that you might have
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more information in order to be able to
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make that determination and whether or
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not you settle over does this make sense
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really to take this to court
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so hopefully you're also leaning
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yourself into potentially going to
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mediation
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okay if you go into mediation that's you
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know most of the time 90
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of the cases settle the mediation but
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it's important to go into mediation with
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enough information to actually settle
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the case if you go into mediation
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without having
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at least a reasonable amount of the
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discovery done where you feel confident
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that you have a handle on
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your assets the children's issues
15:38
alimony income
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you really might just be doing it
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prematurely and setting yourself up
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potentially
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either for a bad agreement or not being
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able to settle
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and losing the opportunity in which
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order to do so usually after mediation
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also comes trial trial is usually
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or it's around the corner trial can
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become extremely expensive
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when you have to start establishing
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trial exhibits
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uh witnesses depositions uh paying for
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deposition transcripts it can become
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it's actually a very uh very costly
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process
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those probably most of the reason why a
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lot of the cases do settle in mediation
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also
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and to take a so take a moment also to
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go back so mediation also is helpful
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if you understand that
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no one they say a good bargain is no one
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is completely happy
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so you have to understand what your best
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in court and your worst day and court
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potentially is
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and try to put your feet down on the
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ground and try to make a find a
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reasonable balance in between
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it's not a happy place to be in
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litigation it's a very difficult from a
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psychological financial point of view
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and emotional
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and throughout all this conversation
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we're having the difficulties that we're
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talking about and evidence gathering and
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you know papers and what do the
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petitions say and someone said this
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about me when it's not true how can they
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say that about me
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and you're going through all these
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allegations and these difficulties
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remember your children
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depending on their age they're sitting
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there going through this with you even
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if you try to hide it
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they can always feel it they see the
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difference of course they feel the
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difference the family unit is not the
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same
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so you want to consider also you know
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making sure the children are not around
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when you have these conversations or
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conversations with adults
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making sure they're not being used as
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messengers if they need to they should
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be
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sent to family therapist so they can be
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able to talk about their feelings
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with a neutral third party so they don't
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feel worried about hurting one of the
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parents
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sort of feeling so to speak depending on
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what's going on
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and keep an eye on their emotional
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psychological needs as well
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so throughout this process it's
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something that you want to keep in mind
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and if your other party is also
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involving the children you need to
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consider whether or not you need to take
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immediate action to sort of eliminate
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the
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the interference with one with with your
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rights or potentially the harm that's
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occurring to the children
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so something else to keep in the back of
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your mind
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so here we are i've just briefly just
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gone through
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you know i have additional podcasts i
17:52
kind of take apart each different stage
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and sort of different elements within
17:55
each stage
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but today i'm coming to the end here and
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sort of we're talking about trial
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trial is at the end of the day you are
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leaving
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your lives in the hands of a judge to
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make a decision as to what is the best
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thing for you and your children
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the judges will do their best as they
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always do but judges will tell you
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themselves
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you guys know what's better for you and
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your children than i necessarily would
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if i have to i'll make a decision i'll
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listen to all the evidence how it's
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presented and hopefully i will make the
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best decision for you
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but ultimately the best thing would be
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is if the parties can come to a
18:29
resolution themselves
18:30
and talk about it and find the right
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balance for their family
18:34
whether from an economical point of view
18:35
but also from a custody and time
18:37
sharing and frontal responsibility point
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of view remember at the end of the day
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this is only part of your life
18:42
you will go on to have a post-divorce
18:44
life so you don't you know that what you
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do now and all the difficulties you
18:47
occur
18:48
is going to limit potentially your
18:50
post-divorce life
18:51
and add or subtract if it's done
18:55
reasonably you'll subtract your
18:56
headaches from the post-divorce life if
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you know if it's been very contentious
19:00
and difficult it's going to add to
19:01
difficulties that you carry on to the
19:03
post-divorce life
19:04
so any judge will tell you the best
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thing to do is if you guys can make a
19:08
decision on your own and come to an
19:09
agreement it's always better
19:10
if not the judge will have to make a
19:12
decision based on the evidence
19:14
what they think is best for you and your
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family whether it is or is not
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so it's something to consider uh trial
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is she's sitting like you see on tv
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you're sitting in the stand
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you know you're testifying you're having
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to bring friends most of the time
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children will not be brought into a
19:28
court or brought as a witness
19:30
if you have a type of case that requires
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the children to be involved or
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the children are being you know severely
19:36
sort of put in harm's way whether it's
19:37
psychological or emotional or physical
19:39
a guardian will be appointed and the
19:41
guardian potentially will be there as
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well
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along with other experts but it's not
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like a tv in the sense that well
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johnny said that you said you're having
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an affair with somebody that
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doesn't work that way that's hearsay you
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have to bring in evidence you have to
19:54
you have to authenticate
19:55
documentation a lot of the stuff you
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think that's going to come in probably
19:58
will not be heard or can be considered
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by a court
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so these are all things you really need
20:02
to understand and they're not easy to
20:04
hear a lot of my clients when they hear
20:06
me say this they're just like
20:08
wait this isn't rational logical and it
20:10
is because if you understand you know in
20:12
a lot of cases i'll agree some things
20:13
may not seem rational logical
20:15
but they're based on rules of evidence
20:16
and a mess ability to make sure that
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what's being presented to the court is
20:20
competent and not tainted so to speak in
20:23
any way so that we
20:24
um it can't be johnny said susie said
20:27
out of court this one day because we
20:28
really don't know what susie said unless
20:30
he's in the courtroom to be able to
20:31
testify so it has to be based on within
20:33
the
20:34
you know evidence presented within the
20:35
rules of evidence which becomes starts
20:36
become very expensive and subpoena in
20:38
people and making sure they're present
20:40
and so forth and that could be really
20:42
complicated in international cases
20:44
you know where you have jurisdictions
20:45
and and you know houses and
20:48
children flying traveling everywhere
20:49
living in different spots during the
20:50
marriage
20:51
so it's just something to consider but
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hopefully i've given you some idea of
20:54
what to expect
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you know really from a legal technical
20:57
point of view and hopefully somewhat
20:58
from a human point of view
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um i want to thank you all for tuning in
21:02
again and for for joining us we're going
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to have our third
21:05
uh you know episode coming up i think in
21:08
a week or two we'll go ahead and
21:09
announce it and i just want to i hope
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21:14
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